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</table>Peterhttps://wikispooks.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dreyfus_Affair&diff=4408&oldid=prevPeter at 15:32, 10 August 20102010-08-10T15:32:48Z<p></p>
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</table>Peterhttps://wikispooks.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dreyfus_Affair&diff=4405&oldid=prevToolbox at 13:36, 10 August 20102010-08-10T13:36:33Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What's the point of this article, which looks as if it's simply been lifted from the other place? [[User:Toolbox|Toolbox]] 20:56, 9 August 2010 (IST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What's the point of this article, which looks as if it's simply been lifted from the other place? [[User:Toolbox|Toolbox]] 20:56, 9 August 2010 (IST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Peterhttps://wikispooks.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dreyfus_Affair&diff=4384&oldid=prevToolbox: Created page with "What's the point of this article, which looks as if it's simply been lifted from the other place? ~~~~"2010-08-09T19:56:44Z<p>Created page with "What's the point of this article, which looks as if it's simply been lifted from the other place? ~~~~"</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>What's the point of this article, which looks as if it's simply been lifted from the other place? [[User:Toolbox|Toolbox]] 20:56, 9 August 2010 (IST)</div>Toolbox