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== Suitability for Small Screen Devices ==
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==2019==
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What does the title "Main Page" add to the coverpage? -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 10:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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:Nothing, but we're stuck with it just now. The <code>No Title</code> Extension crashes the site. There is probably a simple solution but I haven't looked for it yet --[[User:Peter|Peter]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 10:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  
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I have a netbook and this page is way too big for it, so I'm trying to compress it so it doesn't need as much scrolling.
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:Fixed --[[User:Peter|Peter]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 10:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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Basically, it's a war on white space. Another trick is to link the images. By default, the mediawiki behaviour is unhelpful here -
 
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people like linked images and expect them to go somewhere. At the moment I'll leave the actual content untouched, though I reckon the links are of varying importance.
 
  
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[[User:Robin|Robin]] 05:56, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
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Is there a list of articles with no content in the bio? I am working on filling in missing bios but they are somewhat hard to ID. There are a lot of outstanding VIPs especially for the more recent bilderberg meetings. -- [[User:Dan|Dan]] ([[User talk:Dan|talk]]) 02:01, 18 August 2019 (EST)
  
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== More... ===
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: We don't really do static lists, since it's too much work to maintain them. To generate live lists (this is how [[Template:SMWDocs]] works), you need to go to [[Special:Ask]], the interface to semantic querying. It's very flexible once you learn the syntax to type into the '''Condition''' box. Here are some to get started:
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: * Any page who describing a person: {{t|<nowiki>[[Has objectClass::Person]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Any page with less than 512 bytes of content: {{t|<nowiki>[[Has revisionSize::<<512]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Any page (i.e. anyone) who attended the [[2019 Bilderberg]]: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::Bilderberg/2019]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended 8 Bilderbergs: {{t|<nowiki> [[Has bilderbergCount::8]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended the 201? Bilderberg: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]]</nowiki>}}
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: * Anyone who attended any Bilderberg: {{t|<nowiki> [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/*]]</nowiki>}}
  
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How about putting the ''' 'More...' ''' links under the images in a floating <div> in the top right corner of each section, so that it doesn't use up vspace?
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:These can be stacked, so for anyone who attended the Bilderberg since 2010, has attended at least 5 Bilderbergs, and has a page with less than 512 bytes of content:
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::  {{t|<nowiki>[[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]][[Has bilderbergCount::>5]][[Has revisionSize::<<512]]</nowiki>}}
  
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[[User:Robin|Robin]] 06:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
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A good place to see what sort of queries are possible is at https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Selecting_pages Alternatively, if you've any particular queries you'd like to make, feel free to post to [[User_talk:Robin|my talk page]]. -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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:: Another approach would be to make a project of giving each Bilderberger of interest a description (add {{t|<nowiki>{{!}}description=...</nowiki>}} to that person template at the top of the page). This sets the line of text that appears in the {{t|Participants}} section of each Bilderberg meeting, so it's easy to see who is missing a still description (most of them). -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  
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: All good stuff Robin. I must also get around to u/grading the Mediawiki software itself because the latest versions are focussing on portable device compatibility and other 'uasabilty' stuff quite a bit. --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] 10:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
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==2017==
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Effective immediately, pages will only be shown in the [[people]] tab if they have an image. In cases where no image can be found, use {{t|person.gif}} ([[image:person.gif]]). -- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:37, 2 July 2017 (IST)
  
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== Redesign Coverpage for greater appeal? ==
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==2016==
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The aim remains to showcase the best of Wikispooks content, for people who are new to the site. (Regular visitors and editors can use [[Special:RecentChanges]]
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===September===
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Any thoughts on the following ideas would be welcome:
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# Removing all Stubs from the front page
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# Moving the "<big>'''☆'''</big>" tab to the left and making it the top one by default
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# More information about the pages, such as the page description
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-- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 04:54, 5 September 2016 (IST)
  
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How about "Latest People", "Latest Events" etc. ... Images would also be good. If it's {{SMW}} based, that should be fairly easy to recode this? [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 11:24, 25 April 2014 (IST)
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:# Agreed - but a separate stubs tab towards the RH end would be good.
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:# Not sure about this. If Edits excludes Stubs, then it is a good indicator of current content activity. Whereas the rated pages will remain relatively static.
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:# Good in principle but some descriptions are multi-line so general appearance may be a bit irratic. Suck it and see I guess.
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:: --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 10:04, 6 September 2016 (IST)
  
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:I'm happy for you to have a go at it Robin. It is getting a bit long in the tooth and your mods are always an improvement. I have a number of projects bubbling and too focused on them, plus content to be able to contribute much by way of redesign - also the server techie challenges take up more time than I like. --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 11:39, 25 April 2014 (IST)
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:::# ✓ Stubs are now gone (more or less) from the left most 7 tabs. The SMW formatting takes a while to be processed, so very new pages (white "doc" icon) may be stubs.
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:::# ✓ OK, the "<big>'''☆'''</big>" tab stays as #2, to keep the coverpage changing.
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== Known issues to work on ==
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:::# Two possible ways to handle information overload are:
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I've just refactored the source code for easier readability. In the process I've lost the orange (easily reinstated, but actually prefer just blue. I was never convinced orange was a good match:) but deliberately left it otherwise unchanged for now. However, since it's SMW based, adjusting the content should be a breeze. Issues to work on:
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:::-- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 10:25, 9 September 2016 (IST)
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* Lack of images
 
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* Inclusion of relative junk (e.g. [[Test/Main-page-panels]] - visitors don't want this)
 
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* Lack of structure (people, events, etc. all jumbled together, in a way this reflects the software structure, which doesn't interest people, not the semantic content which does)
 
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* Lack of details
 
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* Quite a lot of space used up - seems not good for small screen devices
 
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* Annoying "File:" at the start of the list of files
 
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* Lack of excitement?
 
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This is not an exhaustive list. I ''never'' use the main page. I wonder what it would take to make it helpful for me. I note a test page which includes image/video...
 
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[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 05:28, 27 June 2014 (IST)
 
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:I'm happy to leave any/all redesign work to you. I'll jump in as and when, either with edits, tweeks and suggestions but you are better at both coding and design then I. A few observations:
 
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:* I'm happy with just the blue too. I have a vast collection of icons that repeat in 4 different colours and that's what prompted the original design; thought it a bit clever - then :-)
 
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:* Junk - agreed
 
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:* Structure - currently based mainly on NS's + edits of Main NS - Seemed logical at the time but could be much better
 
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:* I have a few different display devices and current layout is reasonable-ish on all of them. I never use a smart-phone sized one. I guess they are becoming more important and should be considered. However, there's a fine balance between cluttered and pleasing appearance - judicious use of blank space does contribute to the latter IMO but present layout hardly optimal. One other thing that stands out like a sore thumb is that the Footer/Policy section runs right off the rh edge on my lower resolution screen. I've been meaning to fix it by having it either use smaller fonts and/or more depth but its a bit complex and I keep shying away.
 
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:* How to get rid of "File"? - must be a doddle
 
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:Visitor stats show that main page is always among the top few page visits every day, though with less average time spent there. It '''IS''' therefore important even as it is. My main concern is content. I'd prefer to spend 99% of my WS time on it. To that end I've been frustrated at NOT being able to show video and pics with links on main page. I want to be able to draw quick visual attention to a burning topic du-jour, changeable quickly and easily without getting bogged down in coding every time its changed. That's what [[MPTest]] is about. I'll re-hash it using the new Main Page code, then feel free to dive in and tear it to bits (ie improve it) --[[User:Peter|Peter P]] ([[User talk:Peter|talk]]) 06:41, 27 June 2014 (IST)
 

Revision as of 20:02, 19 August 2019

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2019

What does the title "Main Page" add to the coverpage? -- Robin (talk) 10:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Nothing, but we're stuck with it just now. The No Title Extension crashes the site. There is probably a simple solution but I haven't looked for it yet --Peter (talk) 10:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Fixed --Peter (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Is there a list of articles with no content in the bio? I am working on filling in missing bios but they are somewhat hard to ID. There are a lot of outstanding VIPs especially for the more recent bilderberg meetings. -- Dan (talk) 02:01, 18 August 2019 (EST)

We don't really do static lists, since it's too much work to maintain them. To generate live lists (this is how Template:SMWDocs works), you need to go to Special:Ask, the interface to semantic querying. It's very flexible once you learn the syntax to type into the Condition box. Here are some to get started:
* Any page who describing a person: [[Has objectClass::Person]]
* Any page with less than 512 bytes of content: [[Has revisionSize::<<512]]
* Any page (i.e. anyone) who attended the 2019 Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::Bilderberg/2019]]
* Anyone who attended 8 Bilderbergs: [[Has bilderbergCount::8]]
* Anyone who attended the 201? Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]]
* Anyone who attended any Bilderberg: [[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/*]]
These can be stacked, so for anyone who attended the Bilderberg since 2010, has attended at least 5 Bilderbergs, and has a page with less than 512 bytes of content:
[[-Has participant::~Bilderberg/201?]][[Has bilderbergCount::>5]][[Has revisionSize::<<512]]

A good place to see what sort of queries are possible is at https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Selecting_pages Alternatively, if you've any particular queries you'd like to make, feel free to post to my talk page. -- Robin (talk) 19:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Another approach would be to make a project of giving each Bilderberger of interest a description (add {{!}}description=... to that person template at the top of the page). This sets the line of text that appears in the Participants section of each Bilderberg meeting, so it's easy to see who is missing a still description (most of them). -- Robin (talk) 20:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

2017

Effective immediately, pages will only be shown in the people tab if they have an image. In cases where no image can be found, use person.gif (Person.gif). -- Robin (talk) 22:37, 2 July 2017 (IST)

2016

The aim remains to showcase the best of Wikispooks content, for people who are new to the site. (Regular visitors and editors can use Special:RecentChanges

September

Any thoughts on the following ideas would be welcome:

  1. Removing all Stubs from the front page
  2. Moving the "☆" tab to the left and making it the top one by default
  3. More information about the pages, such as the page description

-- Robin (talk) 04:54, 5 September 2016 (IST)

  1. Agreed - but a separate stubs tab towards the RH end would be good.
  2. Not sure about this. If Edits excludes Stubs, then it is a good indicator of current content activity. Whereas the rated pages will remain relatively static.
  3. Good in principle but some descriptions are multi-line so general appearance may be a bit irratic. Suck it and see I guess.
--Peter P (talk) 10:04, 6 September 2016 (IST)
  1. ✓ Stubs are now gone (more or less) from the left most 7 tabs. The SMW formatting takes a while to be processed, so very new pages (white "doc" icon) may be stubs.
  2. ✓ OK, the "☆" tab stays as #2, to keep the coverpage changing.
  3. Two possible ways to handle information overload are:
  1. A tooltip
  2. A fixed # leading characters
-- Robin (talk) 10:25, 9 September 2016 (IST)
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