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The deep state, state within a state, shadow government, or permanent government is a network of individuals and groups which are in actual charge of a national government. The democratically elected government works as a front, providing a level of plausible deniability and allowing the deep state to operate in secret. On matters of deep political importance, the public machinery of government is routinely subverted by agents of the deep state.

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The deep state, state within a state, shadow government, permanent state or permanent government is a fluid network of individuals with de facto control of a national government. Many "democratically elected" governments work as fronts, allowing the deep state to operate in secret while providing a level of plausible deniability. On matters of deep political importance, the public machinery of government is routinely subverted by agents of the deep state.

"Shadow Government" redirects here. For the group referred to as "The Shadow Government" see the 7th floor group.

The deep state (loosely synonymous with the shadow government[1][2][3], or occasionally permanent government[4] or permanent state[5]) is in contrast to the public structures which appear to be directing individual nation states. It is an intensely secretive, informal, fluid network of deep politicians whose deep state milieux effectively amplify their influence over national governments.

The phrase "deep state" derives from the Turkish "derin devlet". It emerged after the 1996 Susurluk car crash unmasked the Turkish deep state. It experienced a surge of use in 2017, often not in keeping with the meaning attributed by the diplomat who coined the phrase.

Official Narrative

The 1996 Susurluk car crash, the deep event which lead to the coining of the phrase "deep state".

The official narrative of deep states used to be that they were "conspiracy theory". This position was modified in the last few years to the claim that they don't exist here. In 2013 the New York Times defined the deep state as "a hard-to-perceive level of government or super-control that exists regardless of elections and that may thwart popular movements or radical change. Some have said that Egypt is being manipulated by its deep state."[6] Since the Times (like the rest of the commercially-controlled media) is more or less a under the control of the deep state, such a mention is very interesting. The implication of the second half of their definition is clear:- countries other than Egypt are not being manipulated by a deep state. A 2012 blog post at the World Bank is clearer still:- "You think your country has undergone a transition to democracy... You realize that there are powerful elite formations bequeathed by years, even decades, of authoritarian rule still able to block progressive change and protect their interests." The statement that "deep states that exist in many youngish ‘democracies’" avoids discussion of nation states which have long claimed to be democracies.[7]. A 2013 book entitled "Deep State" would soften the term, making no mention of false flag attacks and bemoaning 9-11 "conspiracy theorists".[8]

2017 Popularisation

Full article: Rated 3/5 Deep state/2017 Popularisation

The phrase "deep state" experienced a huge rise in usage after the election of Donald Trump. In March 2017, in particular, corporate media outlets all seemed to be offering contradictory ideas about what the term might mean, some denying its applicability to the US (arguing that "There is no American Deep State... it just looks like there is")[9] others contradicting the original meaning by suggesting it was politically partisan.[10] This is an interesting development given the mound of evidence that the deep state controls corporate media.

Democratic façade

Since about 1800, and particularly in the 20th century, deep states in many nation states have worked to maintain a cover of party politics, focusing on personalities of individual politicians or issue of identity politics.

“Although elected representatives are supposed to be the ruling power we see them coming and going while the true powers in our lives — political parties, bureaucracies, business corporations, the media, institutions of law and justice, quangos, international treaty agreements, financial systems, regulators etcetera — get on with business.”
Ivo Mosley (2013)  [11]

This façade was by and large successful at hiding the real business of deep politics from public scrutiny. In the 21st century, in spite of massive consolidation of corporate media, this veil is proving increasingly thin.


In 1977, deep state operative Edwin Wilson sold about 20,000 kg of plastic explosives to Libya, together with training in bomb making from US green berets. The report of the 1986 Bilderberg charged that "Libya is the principal sponsor of terrorism. It finances terrorist acts, it trains terrorist groups, it supplies arms, ammunition, passports and other documents to terrorists, and it uses its embassies, so-called peoples' bureaus, as weapons storehouses and sanctuaries for terrorists. Recently, Libya has been escalating its involvement in terrorism."

Deep states are probably dominated by psychopaths and sociopaths. To preserve their power, they must not only stay in the shadows, but frustrate radical and progressive social change. Control of corporate media is essential to the effective operation of the deep state. In the US this is effected through deep state control of the CIA, which has huge influence over big media.[12] With the apparatus of nation states under their control, their subterfuges can be elaborate and complex. Like Mafia families, deep state groups have a common interest in hiding their existence at all costs, leading to cooperation in times of crisis. As a Turkish cartoon put it in 1997 "Deep state protects its own."[13]


The core of deep state groups and deep state milieu could be summarised by Dwight Eisenhower's "Military-industrial-congressional complex", although intelligence agencies are essential to their functioning. They are made up of:

Supranational Nature

Full article: Supranational Deep State

It is an open question just how much deep state activity is control by the small cabal which control the US deep state. The name "deep state" suggests an immediate parallel with nation state, which is not altogether misleading, at least historically, since these groups often evolved as secret cabals to control nation states. However, although originating in particular localities, deep state factions are highly interlocked in the 21st century deep politics. Peter Dale Scott refers in a recent essay to "A Supranational Deep State", noting how their international integration effectively allows deep states to evade even the limited control national governments had in the early 20th century.[15]

Fluid nature

Power relations between deep politicians remain fluid, so deep states should not be be seen as alternative power structures to the visible organisational structures which they dominate. Relationships between Mafia families offer a suitable parallel, combining an often uneasy cooperation with occasional violent and sudden change. All deep state groups share share a common interest in preventing exposure of the real goings on behind the facade of electoral politics, so even violently opposed factions can cooperate to hide the true nature of deep events.

Deep Politics

Full article: Rated 3/5 Deep Politics

"Deep Politics" is a term coined by Peter Dale Scott to describe the activities and issues of importance to the agents of the deep state. These may be only indirectly seen as connected to "politics"; in most countries of the world today, party politics is more or less used as a veneer to obscure the real considerations. In contrast to multiple levels of publicly aired political considerations, deep political motives are sometimes much simpler; Charlotte Denett, for example, suggests that the deep politics of WW1 and WW2 actually centered on control of the Middle East's resources of oil and natural gas.[16]

Deep Events

Full article: Rated 3/5 Deep Events

Deep Events are the footprints of the deep state. Peter Dale Scott specifies 3 levels:

  1. Low level deep events, typically unnoticed at the time, are discovered only as part of later investigations.
  2. Mid level deep events, typically accompanied by a set of cover stories to obscure their deep political significance.
  3. Structural deep events, rare and ambitious, which to try to change entire societies, sometimes without them even knowing it.

The defining structural deep events of the late 20th century was the JFK Assassination, a coup d'etat that radically changed the US political scene.[17] which the establishment presented it to US citizens as the work of a "lone nut".

The defining structural deep event of the 21st century was the 9/11 attacks, which the perpetual war known as the "War on Terror". Details such as Larry Silverstein's multi-billion dollar windfall and the insider trading are widely known, but evidence is accumulating that these were but minor parts of much larger suite of financial frauds carried out by deep political insiders who capitalised on the opportunity.[18][19]

Cultural references

The second series of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy concludes with the protagonists having finally located the ruler of the universe (a.k.a. the "man in the shack") who makes the real decisions that are ascribed to the President of The Galaxy. The posthumously produced series three of the radio series (produced after Adams' death) diffuses this plot by suggesting that this was a psychotic episode. In the radio adaptation Trillian describes the idea of the secret ruler of the universe as a "conspiracy theory".


Events carried out

9-11/WTC7/Destruction9-11/WTC7Compared to the WTC Twin Towers, few people have seen video footage of the collapse of the 47-story WTC building 7, but the event was predicted and recorded by at least 3 TV networks and exactly resembles a controlled demolition. The event was subject to a news blackout by commercially controlled media for years afterwards, no mention of WTC7 was made in the 9/11 Commission's final report and Wikipedia has no separate page for this event.
BBC/CensorshipThe BBC has been censored since its inception, although it purports not to be.
BBC/PropagandaThe BBC has been a tool of the UK deep state since its foundation in 1922.
Operation Gladio/BA development of Operation Gladio to help roll out the "war on terror" by promoting US/NATO-sponsored false flag attacks to be blamed on "Muslim terrorists".



Page nameDescription
Ancient Rome/Deep stateThe Ancient Roman Deep State.
Europe/Deep stateAs a highly secretive, long established deep state milieu, Le Cercle, has been active Europe wide in political subversion.
Italy/Deep stateThe Italian deep state, post-WW II, centered on the Operation Gladio network run through NATO and heavily influenced by the CIA and MI6.
Japan/Deep stateThe Japanese deep state was reportedly rebooted by the US deep state after the Japanese defeat in WW2.
South Africa/Deep stateThe South African deep state hosted many meetings of Le Cercle.
South Korea/Deep state
Turkey/Deep state'Derin devlet' is a deep state network based in Turkey. Repeated indiscretions resulted in its partial exposure, leading to the English phrase 'deep state' to refer to the phenomenon of a 'state-within-a-state or 'shadow government'.
UK/Deep stateThe British empire, globally very important for centuries, has long been influenced by various mostly unseen forces. After WWI, the UK deep state increasingly came under the influence of the US deep state.
US/Deep stateThe US deep state goes back centuries, but the modern form stems from a 1963 coup which fused an alliance into a single coherent Cabal. Under the leadership of George H. W. Bush after the Watergate coup, the group became centered on the Bush family. It has been aggressively waging a "War On Terror" since 9-11 quickened the supranational deep state. In recent years it has lacked clear leadership and suffered leaks, infighting, short-termism & confusion about handling its increasingly public profile.


Related Quotations

Bureaucracy“Having worked briefly in the Canadian bureaucracy, I have observed that bureaucratic debate where power is involved tends to favor paranoid or worst-case analyses, especially those that justify budget and bureaucratic growth. Today's bureaucratic paranoia has indeed been institutionalized by what has been popularized as Vice President Cheney's 1% doctrine:- Even if there is just a 1% of the unimaginable coming due, act as if it is a certainty. It's not about our analysis, as Cheney said, it's about our response. Justified or not, fact based or not, our response is what matters. As to evidence, the bar was set so low that the word itself almost didn't apply. If there was even a 1% chance of terrorists getting a weapon of mass destruction, the United States must act now as if it were a certainty. This doctrine is a license for untrammeled expansion of the secret deep state.”Peter Dale Scott
Deep state/2017 Popularisation“Though the deep state is sometimes discussed as a shadowy conspiracy, it helps to think of it instead as a political conflict between a nation’s leader and its governing institutions.”16 February 2017
Deep state/2017 Popularisation“There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power.”Mike Lofgren22 February 2014
Euan Grant“I have the responsibility for increasing awareness of Russian, Russian speaking and Russian proxies organised crime links ith [sic.] these countries [sic.] “Deep States” nexus of political, senior bureaucracy, military and military industrial complex, big business and, of course, security and intelligence services. We prefer the term “ strategic organised crime” and believe it is not capable of being adequately deterred by conventional criminal justice procedures.”Euan GrantJune 2018
Malcolm Muggeridge“In the eyes of posterity it will inevitably seem that, in safeguarding our freedom, we destroyed it. The vast clandestine apparatus we built up to prove our enemies' resources and intentions only served in the end to confuse our own purposes; that practice of deceiving others for the good of the state led infallibly to our deceiving ourselves; and that vast army of clandestine personnel built up to execute these purposes were soon caught up in the web of their own sick fantasies, with disastrous consequences for them and us.”Malcolm MuggeridgeMay 1966
Peggy Noonan“I have come to wonder if we don’t have what amounts to a deep state within the outer state in the U.S. — a deep state consisting of our intelligence and security agencies, which are so vast and far-flung in their efforts that they themselves don’t fully know who’s in charge and what everyone else is doing.”Peggy Noonan28 October 2013
William Pitt“A long train of these practices has at length unwillingly convinced me that there is something behind the throne, greater than the throne itself.”William Pitt1770
Theodore Roosevelt“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”Theodore Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman“For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the government.... I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations.”Harry S. Truman
US/Deep state<nowiki>“I join with those who assess the decay of the so-called Pax Americana into ever widening arms build-ups and military violence, in the light of the very similar decay a century ago of the so-called Pax Brittanica. We need to rescind policies that are as visibly detrimental to America and the world today as they were to Britain then. The problem is that Amnerican institutions are again in the grip of collective mania, as they were in the Palmer raids of 1919 and the McCarthy persecutions of the early 1950s. People outside government must work for a redirection of the U.S. government away from mania and illegality, like the awakening that ends the McCarthy era. But to regain control of politics, Americans must learn to understand and cope with the dark forces of the deep state.

America, I try to suggest at the end [of The American Deep State] has like Britain far more to contribute to the world than violent power.”</nowiki>
Peter Dale Scott2015
Woodrow Wilson“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”Woodrow Wilson


Related Documents

TitleTypePublication dateAuthor(s)Description
Document:American War Machinebook introduction1 November 2010Peter Dale Scott
Document:Anatomy of the Deep Stateessay21 February 2014Mike LofgrenAn up to date analysis of the deep state in the US from a former insider who does not oppose the official narrative of 9-11.
Document:Counter-Intelligence: Spying Deters Democracyinterview7 July 2014Scott Noble
Kim Petersen
Document:Democratic State v Deep Stateessay1 January 2008Ola TunanderAn excellent introduction to deep politics. By clarifying the real role of the Secret Intelligence Services and the policy agenda they under firm control in most Western 'Democracies' (especially the UKUSA nations), it demonstrates the irrelevance of the party-political masquerade.
Document:Fifty Years of the Deep Statebook22 November 2013Mark GortonAn overview of the modern US deep state which names names - the most prominent being that of George H. W. Bush, whom Mark Gorton names as the kingpin of the US Deep state and infers was a key mover behind the 9/11 plot.
Document:Obama’s Humanitarianism as Window-Dressing for the US “Deep State” Agenda - The Case of Syriaarticle18 June 2013Elizabeth Woodworth
Document:The Deep State and 9/11article11 June 2008Peter Dale Scott
Document:The Spectacle of The False Flagbook1 March 2015Eric Wilson
Document:The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworldpaper10 March 2014Peter Dale ScottAn recommended and highly referenced overview of the deep state in action centering on the complex milieu of Khashoggi, the BCCI, and the Safari Club.
Document:The Terror Attacks in France. The Broader Geopolitical Implicationsinterview10 January 2015Umberto PascaliInterview with Umberto Pascali – For Voice of the People, TV Sonce, Skipje, Macedonia
Document:Transnationalised Repression Parafascism and the USarticleSeptember 1986Peter Dale Scott
Document:Venezuela, Iran: Trump And The Deep StateArticle22 May 2019Thierry MeyssanSheikh Hassan Rouhani was the primary contact with the Western powers during the Iran-Contra affair. He knows Elliott Abrams personally and put the US deep state in relation with Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who became the richest billionaire in Iran thanks to this arms traffic.


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  6. A Wordnado of Words in 2013, New York Times, December 21, 2013. Grant Barrett
  7. The 'Deep State' Confronts the Accountability Revolution, 2012
  8. Deep State - Inside the government secrecy industry by Mark Ambinder & D. B. Grady admits the existence of a black budget in the USA but makes no mention of False flag attacks and declares "the Kennedy assassination... the shallow end of the insanity pool — a place where otherwise reasonable thinkers can wade in unreasonable ideas... There was no cover-up. There was no conspiracy... But the nature of state secrecy ensures that there will always be conspiracy theorists. Kennedy is but one in a list that grows every day, despite the pesky meddling of the duo of logic and facts." pp.96 - 100
  11. In The Name Of The People
  12. See Operation Mockingbird
  13. Blind Turk Is Going to Jail To Find Freedom, He Says, The first New York Times article to mention the "deep state", from 1997
  14. The "Deep State" behind U.S. democracy - Voltaire Network 6 April 2011
  15. Document:The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworld
  16. The Supranational Deep State, 2 hour radio show
  17. Document:The Coup of '63, Part 1
  18. Document:Fifty Years of the Deep State
  19. Document:Collateral Damage 911
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