Not to be confused with the Supranational Deep State, the informal working coalition of deep state groups.
A deep state (loosely synonymous with the shadow government, or more rarely permanent government or permanent state) is made up of people and networks that influence (up to a high degree) a state's political leadership and decision making and involves the intelligence apparatus, which can organize Deep events - so is in contrast to the public structures which appear to be in charge of the nation state. It is an intensely secretive, informal, fluid network of deep politicians whose deep state factions effectively amplify their influence over national governments.
- 1 Etymology and usage
- 2 Official Narrative
- 3 Organisation
- 4 Activities
- 5 Alternate usage
- 6 Cultural references
- 7 Examples
- 8 Related Quotations
- 9 Party Member
- 10 Related Documents
- 11 Rating
- 12 References
Etymology and usage
The phrase "deep state" derives from the Turkish "derin devlet". It emerged after the 1996 Susurluk car crash unmasked the Turkish deep state. Back in the 2000s and early 2010s, it was used by only a few commentators, sometimes within quotation marks. It experienced a surge of use in 2017, often not in keeping with the meaning attributed by the diplomat who coined the phrase.
The official narrative of deep states used to be that they were "conspiracy theory". This position was modified in the last few years to the claim that they don't exist here. In 2013 the New York Times defined the deep state as "a hard-to-perceive level of government or super-control that exists regardless of elections and that may thwart popular movements or radical change. Some have said that Egypt is being manipulated by its deep state." Since the Times (like the rest of the commercially-controlled media) is more or less a under the control of the deep state, such a mention is very interesting. The implication of the second half of their definition is clear:- countries other than Egypt are not being manipulated by a deep state. A 2012 blog post at the World Bank is clearer still:- "You think your country has undergone a transition to democracy... You realize that there are powerful elite formations bequeathed by years, even decades, of authoritarian rule still able to block progressive change and protect their interests." The statement that "deep states that exist in many youngish ‘democracies’" avoids discussion of nation states which have long claimed to be democracies.. A 2013 book entitled "Deep State" would soften the term, making no mention of false flag attacks and bemoaning 9-11 "conspiracy theorists".
- Full article: Deep state/2017 Popularisation
- Full article: Deep state/2017 Popularisation
The phrase "deep state" experienced a huge rise in usage after the election of Donald Trump. Trump's 2016 promise, and campaign rally cry was "Drain the Swamp!" However, once elected appointed 65 members of the deep state, unelected Council on Foreign Relations and Bilderberg attendees, to all key roles in his administration, including national security directors, CIA Director Mike Pompeo, FBI Director Chris Wray, key members of his cabinet including Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Attorney General William Barr, Federal Reserve Chairman Jeremy Powell, ambassadors, and Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. In March 2017, in particular, corporate media outlets all seemed to be offering contradictory ideas about what the term might mean, some denying its applicability to the US (arguing that "There is no American Deep State... it just looks like there is") others suggesting that it's synonymous with "civil service", or even contradicting the original meaning by suggesting it was politically partisan. This is an interesting development given the mound of evidence that the deep state controls corporate media. Running for reelection in 2020, President Trump took credit for draining the swamp, with his base of support being none-the-wiser, due to ignorance exactly what constitutes the deep state, which still remains widely misunderstood. Vivek Ramaswamy 2024 campaign features a promise to curtail the deep state, further confusing it with the civil service by promising to have a 75% headcount reduction "for all of the people that weren't elected in Washington DC", without ever mentioning the role of the Council on Foreign Relations selection of its members in each president's administration, regardless of political party.
Since the early 19th and particularly in the 20th century, deep states in many nation states have worked to maintain a cover of party politics, focusing on personalities of individual politicians or issue of identity politics.
“Although elected representatives are supposed to be the ruling power we see them coming and going while the true powers in our lives — political parties, bureaucracies, business corporations, the media, institutions of law and justice, quangos, international treaty agreements, financial systems, regulators etcetera — get on with business.”
Ivo Mosley (2013) 
This façade was by and large successful at hiding the real business of deep politics from public scrutiny. In the 21st century, in spite of massive consolidation of corporate media, this veil is proving increasingly thin as deep state milieux, formerly only the stuff of rumour, are now increasingly well documented with photos, videos and leaked documents all online.
The core of deep state groups and deep state milieu could be summarised by Dwight Eisenhower's "Military-industrial-congressional complex", although intelligence agencies are essential to their functioning. They are made up of the real leadership - note that an organisation's de facto leaders may well different from its de jure leaders (especially a regards spooks where compartmentalization and a culture of secrecy facilitate such duplicity, and high ranking officials may be retained as patsies,
- intelligence agencies
- deep politicians and their henchmen, i.e. individuals who control deep state factions and who broker agreements between other members of the deep state.
- Some senior or long-standing non-elected officials within government (e.g. top civil servants);
- Selected individuals with effective control of key commercial, military and/or criminal groups in:
- Full article: Supranational Deep State
- Full article: Supranational Deep State
Deep states often evolved as secret cabals to control particular nation states. However, although originating in particular localities, the corruption of governments has globalised as have other enterprises, resulting in an ever wider interlocking of deep state factions in the 21st century. A 2010 paper by Peter Dale Scott refers to "A Supranational Deep State", noting how their international integration effectively allows deep states to evade even the limited control national governments had in the early 20th century. Post 9-11, most deep state groups are members of an informal alliance known on this website as the Supranational Deep State. The need for secrecy has lead to extreme compartmentalisation, promotes infighting and hampers its effective control any of the deep state groups which make it up, possibly driving the 2020 lurch towards a global control grid with strict technological controls on freedom of speech and freedom of movement.
Deep state milieux
- Full article: Deep state milieu
- Full article: Deep state milieu
Deep state milieux, such as the (formerly very secret) Bilderberg group are organs of the deep state, places where deep state operatives can meet up, away from public scrutiny, and make plans. This is not to say that all visitors to such groups are members of, or even cognisant of, deep state operations; such groups also provide a place where potential members can be subject to evaluation — 1974 of the 3042 visitors to the Bilderberg only visited once.
Power relations between deep politicians remain fluid, so deep states should not be be seen as alternative power structures to the visible organisational structures which they dominate. Relationships between Mafia families offer a suitable parallel, combining an often uneasy cooperation with occasional violent and sudden change. All deep state groups share share a common interest in preventing exposure of the real goings on behind the facade of electoral politics, so even violently opposed factions can cooperate to hide the true nature of deep events.
Deep states are probably dominated by psychopaths and sociopaths. To preserve their power, they must not only stay in the shadows, but frustrate radical and progressive social change. Control of corporate media is essential to the effective operation of the deep state. In the US this is effected through deep state control of the CIA, which has huge influence over big media. With the apparatus of nation states under their control, their subterfuges can be elaborate and complex. Like Mafia families, deep state groups have a common interest in hiding their existence at all costs, leading to cooperation in times of crisis. As a Turkish cartoon put it in 1997 "Deep state protects its own."
- Full article: Deep Politics
- Full article: Deep Politics
"Deep Politics" is a term coined by Peter Dale Scott to describe the activities and issues of importance to the agents of the deep state. These may be only indirectly seen as connected to "politics"; in most countries of the world today, party politics is more or less used as a veneer to obscure the real considerations. In contrast to multiple levels of publicly aired political considerations, deep political motives are sometimes much simpler; Charlotte Denett, for example, suggests that the deep politics of WW1 and WW2 actually centered on control of the Middle East's resources of oil and natural gas.
- Full article: Deep Events
- Full article: Deep Events
Deep Events are the footprints of the deep state. Peter Dale Scott specifies 3 levels:
- Low level deep events, typically unnoticed at the time, are discovered only as part of later investigations.
- Mid level deep events, typically accompanied by a set of cover stories to obscure their deep political significance.
- Structural deep events, rare and ambitious, which to try to change entire societies, sometimes without them even knowing it.
The defining structural deep events of the late 20th century was the JFK Assassination, a coup d'etat that radically changed the US political scene. which the establishment presented it to US citizens as the work of a "lone nut".
The defining structural deep event of the 21st century was the 9/11 attacks, which the perpetual war known as the "War on Terror". Details such as Larry Silverstein's multi-billion dollar windfall and the insider trading are widely known, but evidence is accumulating that these were but minor parts of much larger suite of financial frauds carried out by deep political insiders who capitalised on the opportunity.
In 2021 Peter Koenig headlined an article The Covid Deep State: Threats, Vaccine Injuries and Deaths Abound No Compensation. No Justice. He introduces the article by explaining that “What can now be called “Covid Deep State” – the same “superior and super-rich elite” buys practically all the mainstream media – television, radio and print – in basically all the 193 UN member countries. Looks like there is no escape. That’s what they would like. That’s why the entire world had to be locked down for the virus at once on or around the 15th of March 2020.” 
The second series of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy concludes with the protagonists having finally located the ruler of the universe (a.k.a. the "man in the shack") who makes the real decisions that are ascribed to the President of The Galaxy. The posthumously produced series three of the radio series (produced after Adams' death) diffuses this plot by suggesting that this was a psychotic episode. In the (later) radio adaptation Trillian describes the idea of the secret ruler of the universe as a "conspiracy theory".
|Ancient Rome/Deep state||The Ancient Roman Deep State.|
|Australia/Deep state||The Australian deep state appears to be closely controlled from London/Washington. It has been using the country as a test-ground for emerging social control legislation.|
|Austria/Deep state||The Austrian deep state|
|Belgium/Deep state||The Belgian Deep state is not yet very well documented here.|
|Canada/Deep state||The Canadian Deep state in 2022 was shown to be in the grip of the Supranational Deep State.|
|China/Deep state||Xi vs Shanghai or more complex?|
|Denmark/Deep state||The Danish deep state, not yet well documented here.|
|Europe/Deep state||As a highly secretive, long established deep state milieu, Le Cercle, has been active Europe wide in political subversion.|
|Finland/Deep state||The Finnish deep state is currently influenced by the WEF|
|France/Deep state||The French deep state, closely collaborating with Supranational Deep State policy since 2001.|
|Germany/Deep state||Taken over by the US/UK deep state after the German defeat in WW2. A high profile public "denazification" was used to hide the high degree of deep state continuity.|
|Greece/Deep state||The Greek deep state|
|Israel/Deep state||The Israeli Deep state is important and highly influential, but not well documented.|
|Italy/Deep state||The Italian deep state, post-WW II, centered on the Operation Gladio network run through NATO and heavily influenced by the CIA and MI6.|
|Japan/Deep state||The Japanese deep state was rebooted by the US deep state after the Japanese defeat in WW2.<a href="#cite_note-1"></a><a href="#cite_note-2"></a> The Japanese government took a much more careful line than other countries as regards the COVID jabs.|
|Netherlands/Deep state||Closely allies to the US Deep state. Leader and strange enabler (after banning it after World War II) of the EU-illegal drug trade headed from Amsterdam. Known for Bernhard von Biesterfeld and his involvement in developing Bilderberg and the 1001 club, and a possible sex cult and crime syndicate surrounding the royal family. Since the 2010s led by deep politicians and their consultants in NATO and EU institutes.|
|Norway/Deep state||The Norwegian Deep state used operation Gladio era cells in the 20th century, and contains members of the Norwegian Shipowners' Association.|
|Poland/Deep state||The Polish deep state|
|Romania/Deep state||The Romanian deep state is not yet well documented here. Ion Iliescu, the only known Romanian visitor to Le Cercle, was President of Romania for over a decade.|
|Russia/Deep state||The Russian Deep State, unlike the deep states of western "democracies" is occasionally reported on by the corporate media. It appears to be collaborating with the supranational deep state.|
|SDS||Since the 1970s, formerly separate deep states have integrated and now routinely conspire to subvert governments and international organisations. The collective effort to cover-up 9/11 saw this emerging supergroup fuse into a single Supranational Deep State, one with direct control over governments, central banks and global trafficking of drugs, weapons, people etc. Its reliance on deception, however, continues to make its long term prospects far from certain.|
|Saudi Arabia/Deep state||Not well documented here|
|Serbia/Deep state||The Serbian deep state, not very well documented here, but exposed by the 6th Integrity Initiative Leak|
|South Africa/Deep state||The South African deep state was installed by the Milner Group and anwered to London. The group hosted many meetings of Le Cercle and is believed to have carried out assassinations for the Supranational Deep State.|
|South Korea/Deep state||Another deep state founded by the US.|
|Spain/Deep state||The Spanish deep state|
|Sweden/Deep state||The Swedish deep state involves the Wallenberg family and Wallenberg sphere.|
|Switzerland/Deep state||Switzerland is the place for significant deep state activities. Houses the BIS.|
|Turkey/Deep state||'Derin devlet' is a deep state network based in Turkey. Repeated indiscretions resulted in its partial exposure, leading to the English phrase 'deep state' to refer to the phenomenon of a 'state-within-a-state or 'shadow government'.|
|UK/Deep state||The British empire has long been influenced by various mostly unseen forces. These are being increasingly exposed in the 21st century. After WWI, the UK deep state increasingly came under the influence of the US deep state.|
|US/Deep state||The US deep state goes back centuries, but its modern configuration is fairly easily traced back to the 1963 coup which fused an alliance into a single coherent Cabal. Under the leadership of George H. W. Bush after the Watergate coup, the group became centered on the Bush family. It has been aggressively waging a "War On Terror" since 9-11 quickened the supranational deep state. In recent years it has lacked clear leadership and suffered leaks, infighting, short-termism & confusion about handling its increasingly public profile.|
|"Conspiracy theorist"||“Here's the thing. There's about 150 people that run the world. Anybody who wants to go into politics, they're all fucking puppets, okay? There are 150 and they're all men that run the world - period, full stop. They control most of the important assets, they control the money flows. And these are not the tech entrepreneurs. Now they are going to get rolled over the next five to ten years by the people that are really underneath pulling the strings. And when you get behind the curtain and see how that world works, what you realize is, it is unfairly set up for them and their progeny. Now, I'm not going to say that that's something that we can rip apart. But first order of business is, I want to break through and be at that table. That's the first order of business.”||Chamath Palihapitiya||2017|
|Salvador Allende||“We are faced with forces that operate in the shadows, without a flag, with powerful weapons, positioned in the most varied places of influence....The aggression of the large capitalist companies aims to prevent the emancipation of the people. It represents a direct attack against the economic interests of the workers....We are facing a true frontal conflict between large corporations and states. Their fundamental decisions - political, economic and military - seem to be interfered with by global organizations that do not depend on any state and that, in the sum of their activities, do not respond to or are supervised by any Parliament, by any institution representing the collective interest. In a word, it is the entire political structure of the world that is being undermined.”||Salvador Allende||December 1972|
|Edward Bernays||“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country... In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons... who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”||Edward Bernays||1928|
|Bureaucracy||“Having worked briefly in the Canadian bureaucracy, I have observed that bureaucratic debate where power is involved tends to favor paranoid or worst-case analyses, especially those that justify budget and bureaucratic growth. Today's bureaucratic paranoia has indeed been institutionalized by what has been popularized as Vice President Cheney's 1% doctrine:- Even if there is just a 1% of the unimaginable coming due, act as if it is a certainty. It's not about our analysis, as Cheney said, it's about our response. Justified or not, fact based or not, our response is what matters. As to evidence, the bar was set so low that the word itself almost didn't apply. If there was even a 1% chance of terrorists getting a weapon of mass destruction, the United States must act now as if it were a certainty. This doctrine is a license for untrammeled expansion of the secret deep state.”||Peter Dale Scott|
|Conspiracy/Public attitudes||“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”||Woodrow Wilson||1913|
|Deep state/2017 Popularisation||“Though the deep state is sometimes discussed as a shadowy conspiracy, it helps to think of it instead as a political conflict between a nation’s leader and its governing institutions.”||16 February 2017|
|Euan Grant||“I have the responsibility for increasing awareness of Russian, Russian speaking and Russian proxies organised crime links ith [sic.] these countries [sic.] “Deep States” nexus of political, senior bureaucracy, military and military industrial complex, big business and, of course, security and intelligence services. We prefer the term “ strategic organised crime” and believe it is not capable of being adequately deterred by conventional criminal justice procedures.”||Euan Grant||June 2018|
|Andrew Marr||“A final lesson is that Westminster and the state are two very different things. The state includes the NHS, national science labs, networks of experts […] I now feel we should spend less time on the distracting national puppet show and more time thinking about what I might delicately call the deeper sources of authority.”||Andrew Marr||14 August 2021|
|Malcolm Muggeridge||“In the eyes of posterity it will inevitably seem that, in safeguarding our freedom, we destroyed it. The vast clandestine apparatus we built up to prove our enemies' resources and intentions only served in the end to confuse our own purposes; that practice of deceiving others for the good of the state led infallibly to our deceiving ourselves; and that vast army of clandestine personnel built up to execute these purposes were soon caught up in the web of their own sick fantasies, with disastrous consequences for them and us.”||Malcolm Muggeridge||May 1966|
|Peggy Noonan||“I have come to wonder if we don’t have what amounts to a deep state within the outer state in the U.S. — a deep state consisting of our intelligence and security agencies, which are so vast and far-flung in their efforts that they themselves don’t fully know who’s in charge and what everyone else is doing.”||Peggy Noonan||28 October 2013|
|Michael Parenti||“When change threatens to rule, then the rules are changed.”||Michael Parenti|
|Vivek Ramaswamy||“I have a dream that the people we elect to run the government will be the ones who actually run the government.”||Vivek Ramaswamy|
|Theodore Roosevelt||“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”||Theodore Roosevelt|
|Leo Tolstoy||“When he entered, Prince Andrew, his eyes drooping contemptuously (with that peculiar expression of polite weariness which plainly says, "If it were not my duty I would not talk to you for a moment"), was listening to an old Russian general with decorations, who stood very erect, almost on tiptoe, with a soldier's obsequious expression on his purple face, reporting something.|
"Very well, then, be so good as to wait," said Prince Andrew to the general, in Russian, speaking with the French intonation he affected when he wished to speak contemptuously, and noticing Boris, Prince Andrew, paying no more heed to the general who ran after him imploring him to hear something more, nodded and turned to him with a cheerful smile.
|US/Deep state||<nowiki>“I join with those who assess the decay of the so-called Pax Americana into ever widening arms build-ups and military violence, in the light of the very similar decay a century ago of the so-called Pax Brittanica. We need to rescind policies that are as visibly detrimental to America and the world today as they were to Britain then. The problem is that Amnerican institutions are again in the grip of collective mania, as they were in the Palmer raids of 1919 and the McCarthy persecutions of the early 1950s. People outside government must work for a redirection of the U.S. government away from mania and illegality, like the awakening that ends the McCarthy era. But to regain control of politics, Americans must learn to understand and cope with the dark forces of the deep state.|
America, I try to suggest at the end [of The American Deep State] has like Britain far more to contribute to the world than violent power.”</nowiki>
|Peter Dale Scott||2015|
|Walter Veltroni||3 July 1955||Italian politician. His candidacy in the 2008 general elections obtained 33.17% of the votes, but failed to take the government.|
|Document:5 July Seminar; Potential guest list for discussion||spooky seminar invitation list||26 February 2016||Integrity Initiative||Seminar with a mix of media, academics and lots of spooks|
|Document:American War Machine||book introduction||1 November 2010||Peter Dale Scott||A precis of the entire book, an analysis of the hidden mechanisms behind the exercise of real power in the Western World. The book is a culmination and synthesis of all of the author's earlier work on 'Deep Events' and the 'Deep State. Together with the work of Ola Tunander on the same subjects, it is a highly recommended for anyone seeking more than superficial understanding of the predicament of 21st Century humanity.|
|Document:Anatomy of the Deep State||essay||21 February 2014||Mike Lofgren||An up to date analysis of the deep state in the US from a former insider who does not oppose the official narrative of 9-11.|
|Document:Bloggers Under Siege - Craig Murray Charged with Contempt of Court||blog post||27 April 2020||Ludwig De Braeckeleer||From Lockerbie to the Russia Hoax, Craig Murray has of course upset people in high-places, including some who work for Intelligence Agencies.|
|Document:Counter-Intelligence: Spying Deters Democracy||interview||7 July 2014||Scott Noble|
|Document:Democratic State v Deep State||essay||1 January 2008||Ola Tunander||An excellent introduction to deep politics. By clarifying the real role of the Secret Intelligence Services and the policy agenda they under firm control in most Western 'Democracies' (especially the UKUSA nations), it demonstrates the irrelevance of the party-political masquerade.|
|Document:Fifty Years of the Deep State||book||22 November 2013||Mark Gorton||A detailed overview of the modern US deep state which names names, the most prominent of which, George H. W. Bush, is exposed as the kingpin of the US Deep state and probable a key mover behind the 9/11 plot.|
|Document:Obama’s Humanitarianism as Window-Dressing for the US “Deep State” Agenda - The Case of Syria||article||18 June 2013||Elizabeth Woodworth|
|Document:The Deep State and 9/11||article||11 June 2008||Peter Dale Scott|
|Document:The Spectacle of The False Flag||book||1 March 2015||Eric Wilson|
|Document:The Terror Attacks in France. The Broader Geopolitical Implications||interview||10 January 2015||Umberto Pascali||Interview with Umberto Pascali – For Voice of the People, TV Sonce, Skipje, Macedonia|
|Document:Transnationalised Repression Parafascism and the US||article||September 1986||Peter Dale Scott|
- A Wordnado of Words in 2013, New York Times, December 21, 2013. Grant Barrett
- The 'Deep State' Confronts the Accountability Revolution, 2012 | saved at Archive.is
- Deep State - Inside the government secrecy industry by Mark Ambinder & D. B. Grady admits the existence of a black budget in the USA but makes no mention of False flag attacks and declares "the Kennedy assassination... the shallow end of the insanity pool — a place where otherwise reasonable thinkers can wade in unreasonable ideas... There was no cover-up. There was no conspiracy... But the nature of state secrecy ensures that there will always be conspiracy theorists. Kennedy is but one in a list that grows every day, despite the pesky meddling of the duo of logic and facts." pp.96 - 100
- https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1698149123185426616 saved at Archive.is
- http://ivomosley.com/in-the-name-of-the-people/ In The Name Of The People
- The "Deep State" behind U.S. democracy - Voltaire Network 6 April 2011
- The attempts to cover up 9-11 are clear evidence of this
- Document:The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworld
- See Operation Mockingbird
- Blind Turk Is Going to Jail To Find Freedom, He Says, The first New York Times article to mention the "deep state", from 1997
- The Supranational Deep State, 2 hour radio show
- Document:The Coup of '63, Part 1
- Document:Fifty Years of the Deep State
- Document:Collateral Damage 911
- https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-threats-vaccine-injuries-deaths-abound-no-compensation-no-justice/5746955 Global Research , 4 June 2021